Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Flyers Prospects on 24/7, Stolarz, Hagg, Bernie Parent and More

Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Flyers Prospects on 24/7, Stolarz, Hagg, Bernie Parent and More
- bmeltzer

Hagg -- 2 yr at 1.875 per?

Bill, how do you see the goaltending situation, organization-wide, shaking out this year? They'll have quite a log jam at the AHL level, such that I'm not sure the signing of an AHL vet goaltending type (think Dustin Tokarski) is even necessary this year.

Do you think there is a plan to make a move or do you think they are just going to let things play out organically?

Bill, how do you see the goaltending situation, organization-wide, shaking out this year? They'll have quite a log jam at the AHL level, such that I'm not sure the signing of an AHL vet goaltending type (think Dustin Tokarski) is even necessary this year.

Do you think there is a plan to make a move or do you think they are just going to let things play out organically?
- johndewar

I have no idea what the plan is, to be honest. I don't think there is enough confidence quite yet in Lyon to make him the 1B to Elliott (assuming Neuvirth is tradeable in Sept if he can stay healthy til then as he completes his rehab with new trainer number 3). I also don't think there is enough confidence in Elliott's health status yet to make him the 3/4 to 4/5 of the time starter again.

With 3 goalies at the AHL and a desire for Hart to at least split time 50-50 -- but with Lyon clearly advanced enough to be an AHL starter at bare minimum, and Stolarz having also shown as much before the two meniscus tears -- I don't know how that will be sorted out either.

Hagg -- 2 yr at 1.875 per?
- corduroy

Not unreasonable. Maybe a tad bit high (I was thinking more about $1.675-$1.75 per), but I'd be okay with it. That may not seem like a lot, and the Flyers have ample cap space now, but every bit helps down the line.

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I have no idea what the plan is, to be honest. I don't think there is enough confidence quite yet in Lyon to make him the 1B to Elliott (assuming Neuvirth is tradeable in Sept if he can stay healthy til then as he completes his rehab with new trainer number 3). I also don't think there is enough confidence in Elliott's health status yet to make him the 3/4 to 4/5 of the time starter again.

With 3 goalies at the AHL and a desire for Hart to at least split time 50-50 -- but with Lyon clearly advanced enough to be an AHL starter at bare minimum, and Stolarz having also shown as much before the two meniscus tears -- I don't know how that will be sorted out either.
- bmeltzer

I would not call this situation a mess, but there is a lot of variables that need to be sorted out to be sure. It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out going forward.

I have no idea what the plan is, to be honest. I don't think there is enough confidence quite yet in Lyon to make him the 1B to Elliott (assuming Neuvirth is tradeable in Sept if he can stay healthy til then as he completes his rehab with new trainer number 3). I also don't think there is enough confidence in Elliott's health status yet to make him the 3/4 to 4/5 of the time starter again.

With 3 goalies at the AHL and a desire for Hart to at least split time 50-50 -- but with Lyon clearly advanced enough to be an AHL starter at bare minimum, and Stolarz having also shown as much before the two meniscus tears -- I don't know how that will be sorted out either.
- bmeltzer

Personally, I'd move Neuvirth simply because you can't count on him. When he's on his game and healthy, he's a good starter, but he hasn't been able to be that way for more than a handful of games. Lyon may not ever be a starter, but, to me, he's earned the right to compete as a backup in camp. Doesn't seem right to make him the backup or split time starter in the AHL.

The issue is Elliott. Is he healthy? Is he a guy you can play 55 games? If he's rehabbed well, and as long as you don't play him for 15 straight games, I think that he and Lyon would form at least a league-average tandem.

with other goalie prospects not in the USA, the goalie situation is going to be even more interesting.

The Flyers have to be hoping for a good year from Stollie and Lyon so they can move them for a pick at some point next year.

with other goalie prospects not in the USA, the goalie situation is going to be even more interesting.

The Flyers have to be hoping for a good year from Stollie and Lyon so they can move them for a pick at some point next year.
- wcorvette

Why do they need to trade them both?

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I expect Hagg to get 2 x $2m.

I have no idea what the plan is, to be honest. I don't think there is enough confidence quite yet in Lyon to make him the 1B to Elliott (assuming Neuvirth is tradeable in Sept if he can stay healthy til then as he completes his rehab with new trainer number 3). I also don't think there is enough confidence in Elliott's health status yet to make him the 3/4 to 4/5 of the time starter again.

With 3 goalies at the AHL and a desire for Hart to at least split time 50-50 -- but with Lyon clearly advanced enough to be an AHL starter at bare minimum, and Stolarz having also shown as much before the two meniscus tears -- I don't know how that will be sorted out either.
- bmeltzer

Personally, I'd move Neuvirth
- jmatchett383

I think he will be the first trade of the season.

Why do they need to trade them both?
- jmatchett383

they don't but I do think they have options. I guess you would keep the one who is going to be the AHL lifer.

Flyers trade Neuvirth in late September for a 5th at 50%.

But then Elliott gets hurt in practice. So they start the season with Lyon & Stolarz in the NHL, Hart & Tokarski in the AHL.

Lyon gets injured on opening night, and so Hextall signs an out of work Steve Mason. Philly rolls with a Mase-Stolie combo like it was April, 2017 again.

they don't but I do think they have options. I guess you would keep the one who is going to be the AHL lifer.
- wcorvette

First off, there's no guarantee that Sandstrom will come over next season, so there's the possibility that one or both could stay in the AHL (or function as an NHL backup) next year. If the Flyers, who have invested time and money into both, feel that they have no value to the future, why would another team give you anything for them?

I don't think that either one will ever be a full-time NHL starter. But I feel that Lyon is a very good AHL starter, as was Stolarz before his injury. If they can mold either into a capable NHL backup, I'd call that a win.

Personally, I'd move Neuvirth simply because you can't count on him. When he's on his game and healthy, he's a good starter, but he hasn't been able to be that way for more than a handful of games. Lyon may not ever be a starter, but, to me, he's earned the right to compete as a backup in camp. Doesn't seem right to make him the backup or split time starter in the AHL.

The issue is Elliott. Is he healthy? Is he a guy you can play 55 games? If he's rehabbed well, and as long as you don't play him for 15 straight games, I think that he and Lyon would form at least a league-average tandem.
- jmatchett383

The thing is what are you giving up to move Neuvirth? You said it yourself, you can't count on him. Why is anyone going to give up anything for that? I really think you're going to have to attach a 2nd or 3rd to him to get him dealt and you'll get like a 4th or 5th in return. Everyone knows the Flyers are trying to make room for goalies. I don't expect anyone to really help us out. Maybe if its Lyon they're selling, not Neuvirth tho.

The thing is what are you giving up to move Neuvirth? You said it yourself, you can't count on him. Why is anyone going to give up anything for that? I really think you're going to have to attach a 2nd or 3rd to him to get him dealt and you'll get like a 4th or 5th in return. Everyone knows the Flyers are trying to make room for goalies. I don't expect anyone to really help us out. Maybe if it Lyon they're selling, not Neuvirth tho.
- hereticpride

The best time to move him would be if a team has one of their NHL goalies go down long-term during camp/preseason. Granted, the goalie most likely to have that happen is Neuvirth himself. But then, problem solved!

But you're right, his value is at a low point. But there's no way I'm giving away a 2nd or 3rd just so that Stolarz or Lyon can get AHL playing time. If worse comes to worse, you start Stolarz in the ECHL and re-evaluate in a few months.

I expect Hagg to get 2 x $2m.


- Feanor

I agree. Maybe even a little more.

The best time to move him would be if a team has one of their NHL goalies go down long-term during camp/preseason. Granted, the goalie most likely to have that happen is Neuvirth himself. But then, problem solved!

But you're right, his value is at a low point. But there's no way I'm giving away a 2nd or 3rd just so that Stolarz or Lyon can get AHL playing time. If worse comes to worse, you start Stolarz in the ECHL and re-evaluate in a few months.
- jmatchett383

Yeah, I pretty much see them being stuck with him for now, save the situation you mentioned where a teams goalie goes down to injury.

Then again if you're replacing a hurt guy with Neuvirth you've got some serious GM issues.

Yeah, I pretty much see them being stuck with him for now, save the situation you mentioned where a teams goalie goes down to injury.

Then again if you're replacing a hurt guy with Neuvirth you've got some serious GM issues.
- hereticpride

So essentially, get his passport in order, he's off to either Montreal or Edmonton?

So essentially, get his passport in order, he's off to either Montreal or Edmonton?
- jmatchett383

Exactly what I was thinking.

Put stolarz in the echl to see if his knees cnz hold
Up. Gets lots of playing time then evaluate in 60 days

I have no idea what the plan is, to be honest. I don't think there is enough confidence quite yet in Lyon to make him the 1B to Elliott (assuming Neuvirth is tradeable in Sept if he can stay healthy til then as he completes his rehab with new trainer number 3). I also don't think there is enough confidence in Elliott's health status yet to make him the 3/4 to 4/5 of the time starter again.

With 3 goalies at the AHL and a desire for Hart to at least split time 50-50 -- but with Lyon clearly advanced enough to be an AHL starter at bare minimum, and Stolarz having also shown as much before the two meniscus tears -- I don't know how that will be sorted out either.
- bmeltzer

Somehow Petr Mrazek was so bad for less than half the season with Flyers, the organization has more confidence in two inevitable ripped bandaids and an AHL starter who not quite ready to take the next step.

Personally, I like Petr Mrazek. I think there was a lot of potential there. I think if he was signed by a good team, we would see a ready good goalie ready to break out but instead he signed with the Canes, so I think he’s toast.